Mother of ACPS Student Arrested for Toy Gun Incident Criticizes Case's Handling
Nakicha Gilbert tells The Washington Post she has not received a clear explanation of why police took her son into custody.
Nakicha Gilbert, whose 10-year-old son was charged with brandishing a weapon by Alexandria police earlier this month following an incident involving a toy gun on a school bus, criticized the case’s handling in a story Monday in The Washington Post.
“This is how kids get caught up in the system,” Gilbert told the Post, adding that she still has not received a clear explanation of why police were called and why her son was taken into custody.
* See Patch's previous story: MacArthur Student Handed Weapons Charge Following Toy Gun Incident
According to the report, Gilbert’s son took a toy gun purchased at a dollar store out of his backpack on a bus ride from Douglas MacArthur Elementary School on Feb. 4 and placed it in a pocket in his pants. At least two children saw the gun, one of which told her mother about the incident.
That child’s mother, Rebecca Edwards, then alerted school officials about the incident and expressed concerns for her children’s safety.
MacArthur officials viewed video of the bus ride after receiving the call. The next morning at school, Gilbert’s son had his backpack searched. The toy gun was discovered and the police were notified, according to the Post.
The toy gun had an orange tip, according to a Feb. 5 release from the Alexandria Police Department. In that release, the APD said officers arrived at the school before students arrived.
“If we were able to investigate right away, the outcome might have been different,” APD spokesman Jody Donaldson told the Post.
The 10-year-old was taken to court, fingerprinted and photographed. He was given a probation officer and has another court date scheduled. Alexandria City Public Schools officials said they were following local policies and state laws following Edwards’ phone call, according to the Post report.
Gilbert’s son was suspended 10 days with a recommendation for expulsion. His suspension was later cut short following a school hearing. He now attends a different school.
Jackie Surratt, chair of the Alexandria chapter of the NAACP’s community coordination committee, told Patch on Monday that, at Gilbert’s request, he participated in a “fact-finding session” with ACPS Superintendent Morton Sherman’s staff about the incident. The student is African American.
“After all is said and done, it was a terrible mishandling,” Surratt said.
Surratt, who reached out to help ACPS interim education students earlier this school year, said the NAACP chapter plans to release a statement about the handling of the incident soon.
Edmund Lewis
7:03 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
There has been one "terrible mishandling" after another involving the Superintendent's staff. What else must occur under this man's watch before there is a change in leadership?
Cheryl Freeman
8:53 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
The trauma that young boy has been put through by the over-reaction of the school and by the Alexandria Police, whose deliberate and questionable actions need to be investigated thoroughly is appalling.
The story of what that young boy is being and has been put through by the school and the Alexandria Police is appearing in European newspapers.
matt tallmerq
9:22 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
It is interesting to note that, according to WRC, the Commonwealth Attorney declined to prosecute and dropped all charges. In other words, neither ACPS nor APD were right in arresting the child.
S Walsh
10:09 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
This is not an isolated incident - similar stories across US - across all ages and ethnic backgrounds. Not that it makes it right but once the police are involved they have to follow protocol or gosh forbid if there was a shooting then police blamed for not following thru.
Zach Brown
10:49 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
The APD are over funded and are reckless in there approach. They need to be destoryed.
CMurphy
2:20 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
English class was probably not the class to skip in High School....
Zach Brown
10:50 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
and by destroyed I mean looked into by an independent 3rd party.
Lee Hernly
11:15 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
If I were the young boys parents, I'd sue the pants off of APD & ACPS. A blatant over reaction to the incident. Suspension yes. Arrest? No. Is the Commonwealth's Attorney the only adult in the room??
Lee Hernly
11:16 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
I think Ms. Gilbert deserves to know why her son's backpack was searched without a parent present.
matt tallmerq
11:36 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Could some attorney correct me if I am mistaken that a minor cannot be questioned without a parent being present (or at least notified)? According to numerous media reports, neither happened in this case.
Cheryl Freeman
11:57 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
I have not read in any articles that the school called Ms.Gilbert that day re her son bringing his toy gun to school - did they call her?
At the present time it is quite apparent the school and the Police Department have gone into a 'cya' mode!
A. Mills
11:59 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
The Superintendent owes this mother and boy a personal apology. No, the boy should not have brought a toy gun to school, but honestly, where are the adults in the room? It was a TOY, and if the APD can't figure that out in the first five seconds of looking at his backpack, then we have more serious issues. I absolutely do not understand. To actually proceed to arrest this little boy is ABSURD. The school administration should be suspended without pay for lacking common sense. I hope the school board is reviewing this.
Mark Williams
12:00 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Police can question a juvenile without a parent present. A parent can interrupt the questioning, and a parent may (under some but NOT all circumstances) have the right to be advised, and the juvenile has the right to receive Miranda warnings. The juvenile's parent or guardian can also terminate the questioning. But the Supreme Court's JDB v. North Carolina decision did not prohibit the interrogation of juveniles, nor require that a parent actually be physically present.
ACPS and APD's collective hands are tied in a case like this. Applicable regulations simply require police involvement -- there's no discretion. The fact that the case has apparently led to no prosecution and no expulsion, but has led to a punitive transfer and lots of direct parent involvement, is probably the right outcome.
Lee Hernly
12:20 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
SCOTUS in New Jersey vs. T.L.O. also said that the fourth amendment applies to students while on school grounds and why school officials and police have to be very careful in cases like this.
The APD and the Superintendent owe this parent an apology at the very least.
Cheryl Freeman
12:23 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Mark Williams, thank you for the above. However, that begs one of the issues in that was the mother even called by the school the day her son brought his TOY GUN to school? Further, did the Police give the youngster his Miranda warning and did the boy understand his Rights?
Frankly, neither the school nor the LE should be let off the hook on this case as both over-reacted and a thorough investigation needs to done into the respective actions taken by both.
Drew Hansen
1:00 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Cheryl, according to The Washington Post piece referenced in this story, Gilbert's son did answer questions about Miranda rights.
Lee Hernly
1:21 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
But Drew, was he given Miranda when taken into custody?
Drew Hansen
1:57 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
My requests for comment and additional information on this incident, and several others, have gone unreturned.
matt tallmerq
12:32 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Mark: Thanks for the clarification.
Mark Williams
12:46 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Maybe the police didn't conduct any questioning at all. The only things we do know are that (1) ACPS was absolutely required to notify APD, without any exception whatsoever, (2) APD was required, upon the receipt of a report, to take the child and the device -- whatever it was -- in, whether the Commonwealth's Attorney intended to charge or not, and (3) ACPS is prohibited by FERPA of '74 (the Buckley Amendment) from releasing any further details, except in formal litigation or an administrative proceeding. The mother made public statements revealing her identity -- ACPS could not, and apparently did not. If this seems like an over-reaction, call somebody in Richmond. (And if you really dislike what happened here, good luck with state legislation transferring school control to the new "Opportuinity Educational Institution" entity -- OEI will be subject to non-published regulations and will be entirely beyond any local scrutiny).
dagny
8:23 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Holy Smokes. OEI sounds Stalinesque. Another reason not to use the public schools.
Melanie Herridge
10:26 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
I have to wonder why noone is questioning the parent allowing her son to take that sort of "toy" to school ? Given the current sensitivity surrounding guns (real or toy)...it would seem to have been a poor choice of toy. The rights and wrongs of how the situation was handled...wouldn't have been an issue if the boy had taken another, less offensive, toy to play with at school. Where are the adults in his life ?
Cheryl Freeman
1:04 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Mark, even though the TOY GUN was obviously a TOY GUN, do you mean that the school had to notify the APD and the APD had to take the child in to the police station under the law? If so, what law stipulates that?
Gail G
1:12 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
The mother will be waiting for hell to freeze over before she gets an apology from Mort Sherman.
Mark Williams
1:12 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Yes. And the statute isn't a stipulation, it's a mandate. Even if it's a toy gun (same treatment as bomb threats that are known to be false) -- other kids complained and expressed fear, and the notification to APD was positively required. It's been on the books since the late 90s, and the School Board was actually directed to convert it into a policy statement and adopt it. There are multiple Virginia statutes and a Virginia state supreme court case behind it. That doesn't necessarily make it a good idea. But it does make it mandatory.
Lee Hernly
1:30 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Actually, the Virginia statutes are quite vague on the topic and leave it up to the Board of Education and local school boards to set the standards. See:
leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+22.1-279.7
And
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?991+ful+CHAP0650
Mark Williams
1:33 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
The VA statutes explicitly require local divisions to enact regulations. And the state school board specified a "zero-tolerance" policy -- all local school divisions are bound. You might also want to consult Chapters 16.1 and 18.1.
dagny
8:28 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
"Zero-tolerance" is the stupidest idea ever to emerge. A toy is not a gun, a midol is not heroin. I don't even understand the idea behind this ridiculous "zero-tolerance" crap. Is it supposed to scare everyone into behaving perfectly because everyone knows that the "system" is too stupid to work? Is it to provide a break for legislators, administration, and law enforcement assuming they're too stupid to use good judgement?
matt tallmerq
1:19 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Mark, given you comments & obvious knowledge, what did APD spokesman Donaldson mean by: “If we were able to investigate right away, the outcome might have been different.” That seems tom imply that, had APD been called when the "gun" was first discovered on the school bus, the child would not have been arrested. That implies APD has some discretion. Do they or don't they?
Mark Williams
1:23 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Absolutely no idea. I'm not aware of any of the facts, just the rules. I guess (and this is speculation) that, when the kid was allegedly "brandishing" the toy gun on the school bus, if the bus driver had immediately pulled over and called the police, there might have been an immediate determination that there was no criminal offense. That might be the case. But that wouldn't change the school discipline result. Since 1996, even a toy gun incident has required school discipline.
CMurphy
2:35 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Another question: If the ACPS' hands were tied, why are they looking into "aspects and actions" of the matter and why are they considering making changes if they're warranted? It's still absolutely astounding, and somewhat dubious, that Sherman doesn't have more discretion in a matter like this.
Lee Hernly
1:32 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
We should start calling Mark Williams 'The ACPS Apologist'. Is it any wonder with people like Mr. Williams around that Alexandria is annually considered one of the 'least attractive school districts'?
http://delray.patch.com/articles/alexandria-among-country-s-least-attractive-school-districts-to-parents
Drew Hansen
2:12 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Lee, this post could be construed as name-calling. That violates our terms of use.
Everyone, please keep this conversation civil or I will be forced to suspend comments.
Lee Hernly
2:38 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
TY Drew... I am over my anger at this. We used to have gun clubs when I was at school. It's just amazing how far public schools have fallen.
Edmund Lewis
1:32 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
All parents should be concerned by the response of school officials and police in this incident. ACPS Central office made the choice to notify police and have this child arrested rather than administer a consequence at the school level. After doing so they made it sound like police were already at the school and ACPS no longer had a choice in the matter. Following this incident the superintendent made public comment at a school board meeting that this family and this student were "well known" to school officials. What was the superintendent implying by that public statement? Did previous interaction with this child and family lead to the calling of police or was it due to a toy being found? Parents must press the Superintendent's office for details to ACPS policies and responses. How have staff been trained to handle and properly report threats? On what exact dates was that training provided? How are staff to respond to a threat on a school bus or in a school building? What are the exact dates of that training? When was the most recent threat assessment made for all school facilities? Are response and reporting policies universal throughout the district or different from school to school? The superintendent was quick to release a public letter in the wake of the tragedy in Connecticut however when tasked with responding to a child with a toy ACPS was wholey unprepared.
Cheryl Freeman
1:39 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Drew, I read that :"That day, the 10-year-old stood in a small courtroom, answering questions about Miranda rights, accused of brandishing a weapon, his mother said. He was fingerprinted and photographed. He now has a probation officer, lawyers and another court date." His Miranda Rights no doubt were being explained to him by the Judge and he was asked if he understood what was being told him. In reality, how many 10 year old children would have ever heard of the Miranda Rights and the meaning of the Rights and why it is given? That young boy no doubt was terrified standing in that courtroom with being accused of brandishing a weapon.
Ed Goeas
9:38 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
As a parent with a student at MacArthur I have to say much of the discussion here is certainly going the opposite direction, from what many of us felt throughout the events. Personally my concern was that the actions of the Central office was mishandled, but because they did not act aggressively enough. Because the police were not called right away (not until the next morning), the child returned to school the next morning with a "gun" in his backpack. At that point the school did not know whether the gun was real or a toy gun. At that point the ACPS was putting our children at risk because of their inaction. Thank goodness it wasn't real, but I hope that is the lesson we learn here. We should take any issue of a "gun" seriously and Police should be called immediately. We have had two children in our community killed this week because kids did have real guns.
As far as comments from the mother with the emphasis about this being a toy gun. It is not as simple as she makes it out to be. The gun did look very much like a real gun. The reason why it has the orange tip is because children have been been shot in the past branishing similar toy guns because they look so real. I hope the mother realizes that his putting the gun in his waistband, under his coat, the orange tip was hidden making it look very real. He was at risk, and this could have had turned out much more tragically for him. It would not have been the first time.
Ed Goeas
9:43 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
I do not know a MacArthur parent that thinks this child should be expelled, but hopefully we will not lose this opportunity to clarify the ACPS policy, and educate all our kids that bringing a weapon to school, toy or not is just not exceptable. This is a good opportunity for the child to perhaps do a good community service by going to other schools to sharing what he went through.
Edmund Lewis
12:28 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Mr. Goeas makes some valid points and raises important questions which have not been answered. It has been over two months since the tragedy in Connecticut and other than a video featuring the superintendent and a listing of outside resources there has been nothing forethcoming from ACPS regarding their safety and security procedures. A meeting scheduled for this evening by central office staff to address questions and concerns about safety and security was abruptly canceled. ACPS stated this was done so ACPS, APD, and court services could work together to "present joint informational work sessions to the staff and the community." Why have these sessions not already occurred? Why was the superintendent so quick to highlight his national letter to the president yet the school system had been so slow in its response and communication with staff and the community? This is very unsettling. Let's hope Mr. Goeas and others continue to press for answers to their questions and concerns.
Linda Kelly
1:05 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Mr. Lewis - In the wake of Newtown, some substantial procedural changes have been made at my children's school and the changes announced to both staff and parents. I am curious what your point of contact might be that suggests changes have not been made. In any event, I can't magine it augments our children's safety to announce the specifics of these security changes to the general public, but they have been announced to parents, at least at our school.
Edmund Lewis
3:13 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Mrs. Kelly, procedural changes at one school do not point to well prepared district procedures and policies. The fact that two months after Newtown ACPS admits that it has not coordinated with APD and court services to provide joint informational sessions for staff and citizens is very troubling. We have a director of safety, what exactly are they doing to earn their administrative salary? We have a superintendent who wishes to show off his national letter, what is he doing to ensure student safety? The next time you are at your school ask building staff and teachers when they have been specifically trained to deal with threats within the school building (active shooter, trespasser refusing to leave, unstable individual in building or on school grounds). Get dates. Ask the building administrator when a threat assessment was provided by APD for the building. Get dates. Ask the teachers and staff what is the ACPS policy for reporting threats when they have been notified by students or parents. Ask if there is a universal signal for reporting a threat in the building. Determine if all staff know the signal and if all students know what to do and where to go. I believe you may be dismayed by the responses you receive. The sad fact is that are students are no safer today than they were on December 14.
Linda Kelly
1:08 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013
our school held a lockdown drill four weeks ago. is that not training to deal with threats within the school building?
Edmund Lewis
9:37 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
And by "lockdown drill" you mean that the school had all teachers close their doors at the same time. If you honestly think closing a bunch of doors in unison is any sort of safety training then heaven help us all. The troubling thing is that many parents trust that the schools are providing proper safety training to staff and have adequate response policies in place. They do not. Again, ask those specific questions and feel free to share the answers, complete with exact dates of training (not drills) and dates of threat assessments provided by APD.
Edmund Lewis
9:16 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
http://www.alexandrianews.org/2013/02/gwmw-emergency-preparedness-procedures/
John Q Public
8:20 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
It is a known fact that when you label a child that label acts as permission for the chld to act that way. If you are labelled the class clown, he will be the class clown, If he is labelled the troiuble maker, he will be the trouble maker. This school and the police system just labelled this child (because of a toy gun). I wonder what path he will take now that the system has him in an expected catagory.
common sense please
9:43 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
The real troubling thing is that as big as this country is along with the number of people that live here makes it impossible to actually be safe. Zero tolerance and other restrictive policies give us the illusion of safety. As parents of 9, 5, and 2 year old girls, it is our responsibility to give them the tools and knowledge to be aware of their surroundings and other people that are around them. We have hopefully given them enough info to help keep them safe. Zero tolerance does not keep them safe. The reality of it has the adults suspicious of some of
the children as possible trouble makers while taking away anycommon sense or
discretion they may use in a given situation.
bblackmoor
3:53 pm on Saturday, March 9, 2013
He didn't bring a weapon to school. There was no weapon. There was never a weapon. Whoever called the police should be charged with filing a false report. That's the first miscarriage of justice. The second miscarriage of justice is that a 10-year-old is detained and questioned without the presence of a parent. The third is that the judge didn't immediately throw this BS out of court and reprimand every adult responsible for allowing to get to that point.
What a weak, stupid society America has become.