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NAACP Criticizes Arrest of MacArthur Student for Toy Gun Incident

Alexandria NAACP branch leadership plans meeting with ACPS officials.

 

ALEXANDRIA, VA -- The Alexandria branch of the NAACP is criticizing the Feb. 5 arrest of a 10-year-old Douglas MacArthur Elementary School student for an incident involving a toy gun, calling it “senseless” and “insensitive” in a statement sent to Patch Sunday evening because “by all accounts, everyone knew” the toy wasn't a weapon.

Branch President James Williams and Vice President Jacqueline Johnson said they plan to meet with Alexandria City Public Schools Superintendent Morton Sherman to address the incident and how it was handled. The student is African American.

• See Patch’s previous coverage on gun laws: Biden in Richmond "We Cannot Remain Silent on Guns"     

“While we are sensitive to and share in the legitimate safety concerns parents and school officials have over the safety and well-being of our children, this incident clearly shows the ‘adults’ involved acted without due regard to basic common sense,” the statement reads. “We expect more from those to whom we entrust our children’s future and educational needs. Subjecting any child, and especially an African American child, to arrest and a possible criminal record over a toy is foolish and insulting to our community.”

Nakicha Gilbert, the 10-year-old student’s mother, and others criticized the case’s handling in a story last week in The Washington Post. 

• See Patch’s previous story: Mother of ACPS Student Arrested for Toy Gun Incident Criticizes Case's Handling     

Alexandria City Public Schools officials have said they were following local policies and state laws following notification of the Feb. 4 incident, which occurred on a school bus.

Jackie Surratt, chair of the Alexandria chapter of the NAACP’s community coordination committee, told Patch last week, at Gilbert’s request, he participated in a “fact-finding session” with ACPS Superintendent Morton Sherman’s staff about the incident.

“After all is said and done, it was a terrible mishandling,” Surratt said.

• See Patch's previous story: MacArthur Student Handed Weapons Charge Following Toy Gun Incident

Related Topics: ACPS, Alexandria Police Department, Alexandria branch of the NAACP, Douglas MacArthur Elementary School, and NAACP

Sam Hamilton

8:10 am on Monday, February 25, 2013

I'm glad someone is criticizing this ridiculous policy. If the local and state policies required this type of response the laws need to be changed.

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Jeff McVicker

4:53 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

All cops are out of control in this country. we as a so-called civilized society have given law enforcement way too much power. Remember, power to the people. Not power to the cops. If you want to break down the biggest organized crime ring in the world, remove the power from the cops, judges and prosecutors. We have become a witch hunt society. Sacred of our own shadows.

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brent

6:42 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

how is this ridiculous? how did everyone know this gun was not real ? what just cause he is black the NAACP jumps to his rescue. No child should bring any toy weapon to school.. school is for learning not for playtime GI joe shoot ups

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Kathy Adlam

6:51 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

It is so ridiculous that this was taken this far. What a waste. The schools have become so paranoid, that any little thing, requires that a federal case be made. This poor kid was just being a kid. These so-called educators, have just made this child not trust adults. A similar thing happened to my son and a few of his friends (in the 90's) when they had a lighter in the shape of a gun (a very small item) and the school got wind of it - the idiot school officials in Fairfax County promised these boys that they would not get in trouble, that they just wanted to know who's it was and where they found it, etc. Well, those morons LIED to every one of those kids. I stood up to all of them (I still have the letters) and told them they had no business being in the positions they were, because they just taught all of the kids at Key Intermediate School that it's better to lie. And I'm sorry, but, as a parent - if this is the way they treat all of these stupid situations, then I'd lie right along with them and I told them so. They proved to be the biggest bunch of hypocrites with absolutely no common sense. These so-called "educators" might be book smart, but they sure are common sense STUPID. All these people with this "power" need to get a grip and get over themselves.

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Beth Durst

7:37 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

My question to the NAACP is why is it more tramatic to an African American child to be arrested than to a child of any other race? There have been children suspended from school for taking a plastice toy soldier holding a rifle. It shouldn't make a damned bit of difference what the child's race is.

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Kent McCaman, Captain of Industry

9:06 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

"Subjecting any child, and especially an African American child, to arrest and a possible criminal record over a toy is foolish and insulting to our community.”

Especially an African American child? Really? Why is that? Why should any kid of any color get better treatment than anybody else? Perhaps the mission statement of the NAACP is innately racist. The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People might serve our citizenry better if they had a broader sense of community.

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Deborah Davis

9:06 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Agreed - I had to read this through because I thought it was a joke............(sigh), still can't believe it.

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Tracy Wall

9:06 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

I just read most of the comments posted here and my question to you all...is there something wrong with all of you? Do you all live under rocks? NO WEAPONS are permitted at any school or school function for several reasons, the latest reason is called Sandy Hook Elementary. All schools have a Zero Tolerance Policy on any type of weapon. The multiple school shootings have changed the scenery of education forever. Classroom doors are kept locked at all times, video surveillance of all areas, dress codes and Zero Tolerance are all consequences of the violence that has swept over our schools. The feeling of paranoia is rampant among both educators and students. The authorities were right in their actions against this boy. I guarantee you that he was fully aware of the Zero Tolerance Policy when he packed the "toy" gun (not once, but twice) in his bag. How did "everyone" know this was a toy? A child (no age given) went home and told her parents that a kid on her bus had a gun. Come on, what would you do if this happened to be your daughter/granddaughter telling you this? The little girl who went home could have been in kindergarten and not know that the gun was fake, in light of today's violent world, who is going to take that chance? Zero Tolerance is zero tolerance regardless of the child's race, gender, or age.

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LAR

10:52 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

I agree with Tracy. Zero Tolerance is Zero Tolerance. I don't care what race, gender or age this kid is, no guns means no guns. Real or fake. Too many people have died because someone brought a gun to school. The school took appropriate actions. There are policies they have to follow. School is for learning. If you want to play with your toy gun, that is fine. Just keep it at home. Don't bring it to school. School is vulnerable because we all send our kids there. It is a place full of children. I don't want to hear that another student brought a gun to school. How do you know its a toy gun. Did you see it??? Did everyone get a chance to see that it was a toy gun??? After what happened at Sandy Hook, why chance it? Why would you want your children to get hurt? Race is not the issue. The issue is that that kid brought a toy gun to school and that is against school policy. End of story!

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Flagrante Delicto

8:15 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

You see here's the thing, as a child of the late 50's and 60's, most young boys of the day played Army, Cowboys and Indians, Cops and Robbers. We had B.B. guns hunted squirrel and quail and with dad hunted deer and ducks. But never, ever did we have deranged students blowing away classrooms or have alcohol/drug problems.
So,what is the generation change here? For one, when we got home from school, there was mother, to make sure we did our chores and homework. Parents had expectations of their children and there where consequences for children who didn't meet them..
If I wanted a powered model airplane, I worked to earn money/allowance and learned from my father the Four "S's", Systematic Savings Spells Success.
Back in my day, children didn't have lawyers or national advocacy groups interferring with a parent's actions in rearing their child. In school, we had corporal punishment for unruley students, and when I misbehaved (and boy did I), my father gave me the right to go out to our orange grove and cut my own switch. A belt to the behind is a great motivator.

As I see it, the problem with our children in this country today is directly related to the progressive movement which took over our school, local, state and federal systems and took a once great nation of personal responsibility into a nanny state where "it takes a village" to raise a child.

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H hunt

8:45 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

Since it was a toy it's not a weapon. Get a life. When we were kids we'd play cowboys and indians with more realistic looking toy guns than they are allowed to make today. We took them to school, stores and even resturants. We didn't affend anyone because there was common sense back then

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David L. Arnce

11:02 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

Yes, today we seem to over-react...more and more...

Edmund Lewis

10:06 am on Monday, February 25, 2013

The facts here show that the NAACP's assessment of the handling of this incident is on target. It was grossly mishandled by the ACPS central office. The NAACP should request and make public a timeline of when the superintendent was made aware of this incident and how he had it handled. As in the CIP debacle there will likely be an attempt to shift blame onto subordinates or staff who may be retiring at the end of the school year. This is a shameful practice which was tolerated under the old board and must be exposed as an inappropriate response for leadership in our schools.

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Al Cloutier

5:36 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

When I was a kid every boy took a jackknife to school. no problems. Now they get suspended for it. Cap gun? No big deal.

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Timothy Collins

5:52 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

and my question is why does the NAACP raise so much hell about an african american youth that gets arrested for having what could have been seen as a real gun whether it was a toy or not, but the little white girl whose grandfather gave her a mere piece of paper that was kinda in the shape of a gun and they said nothing. I am not a racist of any kind but it was a piece of paper hand torn to look like a gun and she was discipline but this young man has a toy gun which people have actually been shot at night because you cant tell the difference between a toy gun and the real thing. No way you could mistake a piece of paper for a real gun.

Nun of your business

12:18 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

And the race card gets played again. Rules are rules and if this would have been a white kid this wouldn't be a media frenzy

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Eileen

4:18 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

I agree with you re: the race card issue. However, given the climate regarding guns, and the current hysteria that goes with it, I think it still would have made news.

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Paula Larson

5:13 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Have to disagree with you. Not long ago, on two seperate occassions, 2 other children got into trouble for the same thing and they were white. Both were suspended from school. One little kid had a toy gun that shot nerf balls and the other was playing "cops and robbers" on the school playground and pointed his finger like a gun and said bang! They were both under the age of 7.

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CMurphy

5:29 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Paula, did this happen in Alexandria? Did Sherman recommend expulsion? Did the police come to school and perform a sting operation against the white children you referenced? Did the Principal talk with the parent(s) prior to engaging law enforcement personnel? And finally, did the white children get assigned probabtion officers? More context would be appreciated.

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Kathy Adlam

6:51 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

My son is a white kid and got in trouble for this stupid stuff back in the 90's.... they story is posted in another blog above. And this was in the 90's.... But, yeah - good point. Why did the NAACP have to get involved?

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mike Hall

9:06 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

It always does, I have no idea how 16 percent of the total population of this country,can think they are so special they can live by their own set of rules and the masses need to accept it. We have bent over backwards to show sorrow for what happend 170 years ago ,we are made to feel guilty for something none of us did, to those who had nothing done to them. It is like continuing to blame bush for obamas whitehouse, we keep the white race feeling as though we have done something wrong. I am 67 years old and lived the times when blacks did have it bad, and I marched along side them in many towns in the south,to show support for equality, had my cars tires slashed at my job ,later fired for no reason other than my best friend henry Mccoll was a black guy, they even burned a cross in my yard ,good ole boys southern die hard democrats ,same as my father and his before him. well in hind sight i see my efforts were totally wasted as now i am called a racist ,by the very people I supported.at some point this mess has to end ,or there will have to be a war,as my father always said would come from actions i took at 19 years old.

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Melinda H

8:15 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

I agree, people need to get real. Who cares what color a kids skin is, no means no. That's the problem, no one can give punishment anymore. And all these people who say, "take power away from the cops" will be the first ones to cry when they need a cop. "Where were you to protect me?" Here's what I say, quit whining! No one is above the law. Should common sense have played a part? Yes, a "Pretend" arrest where the kid doesn't know it's not real would have served well and that boy might have learned a valuable lesson!

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Denis Robinson

8:15 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

"We cannot remain silent on guns." How bout "We cannot remain silent on the missing use of common sense."

Robert Dunning

1:01 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Unbelievable that this is where this county is at, But this is the least of our problems. Our country is on the verge of an economical collapse.Obama care is kicking in, people are losing there jobs because of it. China is buying up all the oil fields in Texas, now we can start buying our oil from China. Makes no sense. Obama must go and the guns must stay. Once they get our guns we're done. America will become a third world country. Please get involved. Email your congress men or woman. tell them what you think.You just cant set there and do nothing or we as a country will be nothing. THANKS..signed fed up.

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Al Cloutier

5:36 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Agreed .. You are correct. F&F

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Kathy Adlam

7:07 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Robert. You are SO RIGHT! We are already becoming a 3rd world country with all of the crap going on here. Finding caring, considerate people who live by the Golden Rule are few and far between. Everyone is in panic mode, thanks to this administration, who is slowly but surely taking away all of the rights that the Constitution allows. Thanks to all of the immigrants who think they don't have to abide by the laws of the land and the crooked politicians who just want the votes from these people, we are losing everything that our ancestors fought for.

Henry

2:42 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

"Subjecting any child, and especially an African American child..."

Huh? The injustice here is greater because the kid is black? If the kid were white it would have been less "foolish and insulting to our community.”? Did I read that right?

What a racist crock of sh@t. The kid got popped because he broke the law, not because he's black.

Here's a tip Ms Gilbert- why don't you spend more time making sure your kid isn't breaking the law and less time moaning to the media about the consequences of getting caught breaking the law.

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Glenn Edweard Baumgardner

5:29 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

I was thinking the same thing. Why is subjecting a black child to arrest for this incident any worse than subjecting a white child to it. The comment "especially a African American child'' is as racist as anything they could have said.

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Bob

5:29 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Well put Henry... would the NAACP get involved if it were any other kid? The organization itself is racist.

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CMurphy

5:29 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

The police engaged in a sting operation against a ten year-old. How many other ten year olds have gotten popped in Alexandria for toy guns? Or is this the first such incident? If it's happened before, were they arrested, suspended and recommended for expulsion? Do they have probation officers?

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Harvey

5:33 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Since when are toy guns illegal? The kid was TEN YEARS OLD. Do you not understand how stupid this was?

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Al Cloutier

5:39 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Breaking the law..Chee. Noadays a kid that has to take meds can't take them in school. Dumb stuff.

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Bill Povse

5:39 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

How did the kid break the law?? Since when is having a toy gun against the law? You want people to be able to own real guns but you dont want a child to have a toy gun. You dont make any sense.

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D Doob

7:37 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

I thought the same thing when I read it, "Subjecting any child, and especially an African American child..." is a pretty racist thing to say. Now if some organization representing white people said "especially a white child..." Jesse Jackson would be out there picketing the newspaper, but because he's black white folks can't say any thing about it or we're racist.

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mike Hall

9:06 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Yes, I read of whites being killed by blacks almost everyday, no outrage, we are still suffering from guilt for our ancestors to their ancestors and they have used that for too many years now. It is time to draw a line in the sand. We had a young white male,killed in charlotte ,while walking to meet his girlfriend to see christmas lights, 3 black teens, youngest 14 and a female ,beat him to death on a street in daylight took 3.00 and his phone.No outrage from anyone ,no marches like with the martin kid, whites are expendable ,blacks arent.

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Melinda H

8:15 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

Amen. I don't care if he's black or purple! What ignorance.

Rich Goodwin

4:33 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

As long as we continue to tolerate these policies and knee jerk reactions the behavior is gonna continue. If the masses would actually stand up, and even get in these peoples faces if necessary about their stupidity we would see a change. If that isn't enough make them all miserable untill the leave town.

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Drew Hansen

4:35 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

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Jaydee1958

4:39 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Arrested for a toy? The cop needs to be fired!!!! Where is the "Officers" discression? A TOY. No common sense. The world is upside down.

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G.T.B. Tru

5:13 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Jaydee 1958: The cop's "discression" is with your spelling: In the toilet.

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Al Cloutier

5:39 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Sure is. What the heck happened?

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Melinda H

8:15 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

The cop should be praised, however it needed not be a "legal" arrest rather a putting in the car and taken to wait for mom to pick him up. There has to be some fear instilled so these kids don't grow up to be thugs.

RAJ (Bo) McMerritt

4:53 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

ok so now that it is a child of color and a stupid policy...mommas don't let your babies grow up to be their own backpack packers..they will mimic thug rappers they see on MTV

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wbigtummy

4:53 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

I agree this was boobery! How does the kid's race have anything to do with it. Idiocy is idiocy.

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Henry

4:53 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

You need to be arrested for your crimes against grammar.

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Al Cloutier

5:41 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Whats his/her gramma have to do with it? How did she come in the pic?

jack

4:53 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

This episode of little boys being arrested or punished for playing with toy guns or with their fingers is getting silly. Boys will be boys and that's how we are...period.

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Tired of the crap

5:13 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

At least he had a real toy! The 7 year old who was suspended from school was playing with an imaginary weapon on the playground! THAT is where our country is regardless of race, religion, sexual preference, etc. Can't you see that all that has been done to intergrate is being undone to cause an uprising? And, as soon as that happens...guess what? We'll all be the ones carried off and then where will our kids be? Joining Obama's Youth?? Every single one of our, and when I say OUR, I mean all of US white, black, mixed, etc., constitutional rights are being violated and the worse is yet to come!

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steven Jacobs

5:13 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

bureaucratic,powermad morons out of control

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Mrs. G.

5:13 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

PLease explain to me just how we are going to identify children who need help if you tie the hands of those who attempt to identify a child with problems? This world is so politically correct that so few things spark any reaction at all from the powers that be. Yes, it was a toy. BUT think for a moment - this toy is perhaps the ONLY THING the people reporting it CAN report AND GET A REACTION FROM THE ADMINISRATION. Try reporting "my dad is mean to me, or my family hates---------(fill in any race creed, etc) or,my family member is in jail, and I don't see anything wrong with what they did, etc etc. Don't you thnk the "toy" being zero tollerance HELPS bring other problems - which are politically incorect to address otherwise - to the forefront??We need to support the judgement of the reporting people and look into the "problems". I would bet they see MAJOR proplems with the little ones and the families that are reported. First hint: the parents bring the issue up to the media...

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redmanrev

5:19 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

As a supervisor for a transportation dept. in a school district, though the idea of arresting a student of any age seems to be severe, understanding the vulnerability that a driver faces with a bus load of students could possibly put some perspective on this case. As a driver they are not allowed to search students, neither are there metal detectors on board. If a student was to actually bring a gun on board no one would know until its too late. Though I may not agree with arresting the child, expulsion from the bus for the year would be more appropriate even for a toy!

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ersfiles@netscape.net

6:01 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

The "problem" here is not being P.C. or race, just the lost of innocense and no common sense!

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Gregory E. Bouknight

8:15 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

I can agree. No one is addressing the Bus. This incident didn't happen at the school, it happened on the bus. I am wondering though, did they know it was a toy before or after they got it? Also, if everyone is so concerned about toy guns, why are manufacturers still allowed to make them, and then make them look real?

Feces1

5:29 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

NAACP such a racist organization, Subjecting any child, and "especially" an African American child, to arrest and a possible criminal record is such a racist statement if I ever heard one! What if it were said "especially a caucasian child?" The NAACP would be crying bloody murder! Banning Toy Guns at schools is nothing new. I remember in Kindergarten a kid getting expelled for bringing his western six shooter gun to school and this was 1976. The NAACP could really careless about the Toy Gun, they are more concerned about making a race issue more than anything else!

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Kathy Adlam

7:59 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Yes, you are right. Why is it that everything ends up being a racial issue, when in fact, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the color of one's skin? The fact that the NAACP has gotten involved has made it a race issue. No one makes such a big deal over similar situations when it's a white kid - it is always forgotten in a day or so. But the NAACP makes a federal case and has then created more racial tension just by keeping it alive. If whites kept it alive, we'd be labeled racists.

Ricky Racer

5:36 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Because the kid is black it is especially bad that is a bunch of racist BS so if it were a white kid go and throw the book at him. What did the gun look like was it pink or did it look like a real gun. If it looked real that could of got the kid shot by the cops it has happened. But the most disturbing thig about this whole article the NAACP makes it sound like go and punish the white kid but leave the black kid alone.

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mike Hall

9:06 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Has been that double standard for years, white man speeds, 90 in 55, stopped he admits he was speeding, black guy speeding stopped 90 in 55, yells ,i was only atopped because I am black, excuse is old and used up,worn out and should be banned. The race card should be banned as well.

jwb

5:41 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

the situation is getting completly stupid, paranoid and out of control...come on...arresting a small child with toy guns?...asanine

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Sammy

5:52 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

I don't get it. Is it illegal to play with toy guns? I shot nerf guns and water guns all the time at my brothers when we were little, and when they got older, they shot paint guns at each other. None of us are violent at all, nor any of the neighborhood kids we grew up with that did the same. Honestly, I never even made the connection between what we did in our games and shooting with an intent to kill...I think that connection is made by adults with theories trying to psychoanalyze kids too much.

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Bill Povse

5:52 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

The story says the child had the toy gun on the bus on Feb 4th, but they waited until the 5th to arrest him. None of this makes sense. The NRA is fighting for people to be able to own a gun but these people are trying to ban children from owning a toy gun.

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CMurphy

6:01 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

He showed the gun on the bus to a group of students. Video from the bus shows the kids all looking at something. One girl went home and told her mother. The mother calls the school. The school claims the boy "is well known to us" but they cannot locate the boy's mother. The next morning, the boy shows up on the bus at school and walks through the doors. The principal and the Alexandria Police Department are waiting for him. He is searched, arrested and hauled off to some juvenile detention center until a bond/court hearing later that afternoon - where he is finally reunited with his mother. The boy is ten years old. It boggles the mind...

Principal should have made more effort to locate the boys parent, including asking the ACPS School Resource officers to intervene if need be at the boy's home. If they were unable to do that, they should have met the boy at the bus stop in the morning to make sure he knew that getting on that bus and going to school with that Dollar Store orange-tipped toy gun was against the rules. Rather, they waited until he committed the crime again and set up a sting operation in front of his friends and classmates at McArthur. Again, it just boggles the mind...

kenneth norcutt

5:52 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

What is the issue here. The child had a toy with him. Period end of issue.
What is next arresting an 8 year old for bringing a match box car to school.

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Poderac

5:52 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

It's going to get even worse when Obummer gets all the gun ban laws passed.

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kenneth norcutt

6:12 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Never happen since no one pays any attention to him anymore. He is about as effective as a hot air balloon.

TB Player

5:54 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

This is a direct result of the "Wussification" of American Boys by Liberals. The emotional overreaction of the Liberal-based "Zero Tolerance" BS policies that the Unions have set into enforcement so they do not have to make a logical decision. They can, like a Wussy, rely on their "Zero Tolerance" as the easy way out, instead of using Common Sense and Logic...

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kenneth norcutt

6:12 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

A liberal using common sense or logic. You have to be kidding. They never heard of either word.

Terri Black

6:12 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

I with COMPLETELY WITH THEM UNTIL THIS LITTLE TIDBIT " Subjecting any child, and especially an African American child, to arrest and a possible criminal record over a toy is foolish and insulting to our community.” I am completely disgusted by this THOROUGHLY RACIST STATEMENT.

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Lily Knol

6:28 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

It seems to me that the problem here is adults who can't tell the difference between kids playing with toys and real gangs with weapons. DUH

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Mrs. G.

7:47 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

I am pretty certain they do know the diference - and have seen enough children who are on the path to join the gangs and use real weapons. Remember in the article the line about the child being well known to the district. Why do you think that is?

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mike Hall

9:06 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

12 year olds in street gangs in los angeles and chicago, are they ganstas, or just 12 year old kids?

Mooselook

6:38 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

"Subjecting any child, and especially an African American child, to arrest and a possible criminal record over a toy is foolish and insulting to our community.”
Why say "especially an African Amerrican child". This is an obvious racist statement by the NAACP. What makes a black child any different than any other color child?

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Jaime Lopez Ortega

7:23 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

I can't believe it would ever come to my saying this... Has the NAACP become so retarded that it cannot figure out that neither toys nor real tools are to be dragged along to school... Now it becomes about and I quote, " especially a black child"?... how idiotic is that... It can only get worse from here... Maybe we do need to find an island somewhere to relocate the mass dribble coming into existence these days.. or should I say nights.. the darkest nights...My experience says that there's no point even trying to open up a decent discussion about it.. stupid just cannot be helped..

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jimbarry1946

7:23 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Racisti, racist, racist!!! What? Why? Stupid-YES! Racist? Get a life. This is as stupid a statement as I've heard. You keep crying race when nothing is there. It makes me SICK.

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Mike

7:23 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

It is now time for toy companys to stop making toy guns. I don't want my grand child killed as the result of a toy gun.

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Henry

7:37 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Drew,

Could you contact Jacqueline Johnson and James Williams for clarification as to why they believe this is "especially" bad for a black kid?

I think our community deserves an answer. Especially because I can guarantee I foot more of Gilbert's son's cost of eduction than she does.

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Drew Hansen

7:45 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Here are the two paragraphs that followed the "especially an African American child" sentence in the statement from the NAACP branch:

"The United States is the world's leader in incarceration with 2.3 million people currently in the nation's prisons or jails -- a 500% increase over the past thirty years. These trends have resulted in prison overcrowding and state governments being overwhelmed by the burden of funding a rapidly expanding penal system, despite increasing evidence that large-scale incarceration is not the most effective means of achieving public safety. This over-reliance on incarceration has also had a disproportionately serious impact on communities of color: 57% of incarcerated inmates are racial or ethnic minorities and 88% of inmates are male. Specifically, as of mid-year 2009, whites represented 42.5% of all incarcerated inmates; African Americans, 39.2%; and Hispanics, 16.2%.

"We want to make certain our school officials know we will not stand for uncaring and insensitive treatment of our children while in their care. Opportunity is stifled when children are expelled and suspended because of inappropriately applied school policies. That is especially true for African American children. We intend to meet with our School Superintendent to make certain this situation never happens again. We encourage other like-minded citizens in our community to do the same."

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CMurphy

7:51 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

How do you know that and how did you become so insufferable?

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Richard

8:15 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

Henry, your comment is racist. You can guarantee that you pay more taxes than this kid's mother does? You just assume she is poor because she is black?
Perhaps she couldn't be found because she works two jobs to be able to afford school clothes and toys for the kid?

d rash

7:37 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

I agree with everything, about this being a stupid, ignorant and senseless policy, and was handled without a shred of common sense, EXCEPT, the part about, "Subjecting any child, and especially an African American child, to arrest and a possible criminal record over a toy is foolish and insulting to our community.” QUIT singling out African Americans for "special handling"!! This would have been outrageous for a child who was green or purple! STOP!

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Laura Harrison

7:47 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

A child gets arrested for bringing a toy gun on a bus but it is perfectly legal for a TSA to accost a 3 year old. What planet do I live on?

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Lisa

9:40 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Where was a 3 year old accosted by the TSA? Link please.

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Kathy Adlam

11:06 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Lisa, where have you been? The TSA incident has been all over the news..... You give these people a badge and they think they have all the power in the world.

Strick9

7:59 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Should there have been a response from the school... yes.
Did the child's race have any bearing on the response... unlikely.
In my opinion, the toy should have be confiscated and the child serve an in-school-suspension (ISS) for the policy violation; perhaps an interview with a counselor to ensure there aren't any underlying issues, but that's it. Arresting a child for playing with a child's toy is foolish.
The involvement of the NAACP could only be warranted if they could show an instance where another child of a different race had been treated differently for the same offense; otherwise, they need to keep out of it. Exacerbating the situation with race is entirely counterproductive for the equality they claim to be striving for.
Adults have to teach children.
Are we teaching them:
...To respond, or overreact?
...To respect authority, or distrust it?

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Kathy Adlam

11:07 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

The way they handled it, what kid is going to respect authority? I, personally have NO RESPECT for these imbeciles. They spent a LOT of money on their educations, but they forgot to teach common sense!

John Q Public

9:06 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

So I was on board with everything the guy was saying. We need people to use common sense with our children, we need people that are sensitive to the children and we should be making senseless arrests of a child with a toy gun. (unless he tried to rob someone with it). Where this entire story lost all credibility for me was when they stated "Subjecting any child, and especially an African American child, to arrest and a possible criminal record over a toy is foolish and insulting to our community" I agree with the foolish part but ESPECIALLY A BLACK CHILD!!!!! so why should a black child have special treatment over any other color? So the NAACP doesn't really care about the child they only care about the black part. another race driven agenda.

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Jim

9:06 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

And the police want citizens to believe that the police are here to help? Here's another child traumatized by the police, which amounts to endangering the welfare of a child. It will probably haunt him for life and possibly cause him to flee at the sight of an officer in the future.

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Get a clue

8:15 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

Of course, the NAACP is only outraged because it happened to a black child.... as they so aptly pointed out.

Eddy Bialer

9:06 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Here we are in the beginning of a classic situation. Chaos rules and the establishment is in disaray.CLassic 1930 Germany. But we are Americans, not Germans. We come in all colors not just white. We will not bend to lunacy and stupidity. Let's check the facts. It it legal to sell a toy gun? Answer YES. Is it legal for a child to have possession and ownership of a toy gun? Answer YES. Is it logical and permissible for a child to have and play with a toy gun, that was legal to be sold and possed.

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Get a clue

8:15 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

And, I guess it is also legal for the NAACP to think that African American children should be treated better than white children.

Mike

9:06 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

His carrying a top gun broke what law?

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Lisa

9:06 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

The boy brought a replica gun to school. The boy happened to be African American. The boy wasn't white. The boy wasn't Latino. The boy wasn't Asian America, or Indian, or Middle Eastern, or Australian, or French. It just happened that a boy brought a replica gun to school and got caught. His race has nothing to do with it. It's an insult to the community to suggest it is.

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Jim

9:06 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Why would you say "and especially an African American child"? Would the incident have less ignorant if it had been a white child. The race card shouldn't haven been applied here.

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Get a clue

8:15 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

I agree.But, I think it goes beyond the "race card"... I think that statement is flat out pure racism on the part of those NAACP people. What they were really saying is that African American children are worth more than white children.

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harry8227

8:15 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

Good point. White Americans are a becoming a minority nowadays, but why isn't that brought up and used in the same way other race issues are brought up. If this was a white child nothing would have been said and it surely wouldn't have made it this forum.

Jim

9:06 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Can someone please explain how it was a weapons charge? A toy gun with the orange barrel ring is not a weapon. A sharpened pencil, a rock or a clinched fist is a weapon a 2oz piece of hollow plastic is not a weapon.

If you say it look likes a weapon so it is a weapon then why des a pencil not look like a weapon it is a proven fact a sharp pencil looks like a weapon. Now suppose it is a rubber pencil that looks like a pencil is it a weapon too? Am I the only one that thinks this issue is totally stupid? My grand son was caught with a toy car at school they dont allow them, it was confiscated and he was told not to do it again and mom was told. End of story no driving without a licenses or underage operator charges were filed.

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Edmund Lewis

9:40 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

Let's hope the NAACP makes public the results of it's "fact-finding session" with the Superintendent. The citizens of Alexandria will be interested to learn what version of the story was presented to the NAACP and who was ultimately responsible for charges being filed against this child.

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lilly

10:46 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

my husband is an officer of the law. he almost shot a 17 year old kid because he pulled a VERY REAL LOOKING BB gun out. it's a good thing my husband isn't trigger happy or that kid could be dead. my husband scolded the kid for carrying something that could have gotten him killed and sent him home.

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Strontium90

8:15 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

It has nothing to do with being trigger happy. The term "trigger happy" denotes a lack of training, skills, and disciplined technique. Had that had been a real gun and he hesitated guessing about some juvenile he would be dead. If it looked like a gun and he had intent, weapon, and delivery system your husband should have and would have been justified in shooting that kid. More than one child has done something stupid and been shot and every time it has been proven the officer does not have to become a target to find out if the perceived threat is authentic. That goes with the open intoxicants in a moving motor vehicle. Lots of kids think its funny to wash out a beer can fill it with soda and then drink and drive. Well the laws on that topic say it's illegal as the representation was same.

lilly

10:46 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013

yes my husband is white and the 17 year old kid was black.

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TLN it Str8

8:15 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

Having fired a REAL GUN that is painted hot pink and has Hello Kitty on it, having seen a toy water gun converted into a real one, and having seen a real gun that someone painted an orange tip on......I have no problem with them making sure it is a a toy and with the child being punished in some fashion by the school. IF (note that...IF) there is evidence that the child's intent was to threaten, scare, intimidate...etc with this toy (hoping that others would think it was real and behave accordingly), then I can see an arrest being reasonable.

Now then, I do have an issue with this comment: “We expect more from those to whom we entrust our children’s future and educational needs. Subjecting any child, and especially an African American child, to arrest and a possible criminal record over a toy is foolish and insulting to our community.”

AND ESPECIALLY AN AFRICAN AMERICAN CHILD? WTH? Should we chorus "OMG how dare they!" because the of the child's ancestry? Is that child better than others because of said ancestry...if so then I must ask; can you say hypocrite? Were there other students of other races that also had toy guns but weren't arrested? No? So how did this become a racial issue other than the person in question happens to be black?

Sorry, but that comment really burned my backside. I worked hard to EARN the respect I have......I didn't think I was entitled to it or owed it just because my skin is darker.

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Master Rod

8:57 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

You Sir, are an educated, and most reasonable man. It is not about race. What happened here was wrong. Schools are supposed to be places where kids can err, get punished, and then bounce back up with new understanding. Everybody was complaining about there rights. Well, you got what you wished for. We won't violate your rights with corporal punishment, we will just have you arrested, and make you a criminal. See where all these whinny babies have led us.....

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CMurphy

8:57 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

If they were afraid there may be "evidence of intent to threaten, scare, intimidate...etc" then police should have confronted the ten year-old before he got on the bus the next morning. If the safety of the students was paramount, the APD and ACPS should have intervened before he put the children on the school bus in more danger - assuming you actually thoink this was a good arrest.

Strontium90

8:15 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

Change is inevitable growth is optional. These days there is nothing fun/funny about any gun/representation of a gun. Since there is equality for all where is the national association for the advancement of white people?

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Get a clue

8:15 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

"Subjecting any child, and especially an African American child, to arrest and a possible criminal record over a toy is foolish and insulting to our community.” Did they REALLY say that??? ESPECIALLY an African American child??? Sooooo, an "African American" child should have more rights than a white child? They are racist pigs and should be castigated!

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Flagrante Delicto

8:15 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

" Subjecting any child, and especially an African American child, to arrest..."
The core word of "especially" here being "special." So, because the child who carried a toy gun on the bus is black, he should receive special consideration? So much for racial equality.

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Rob Randolph

8:15 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

how did school officials find out about the gun .. if another student reported it then that was good thing out of this story .... at least a child had the sense to report it ...

no guns in school ARE THose THE RULES ?????? if so, sorry little kid your mommy and daddy didnt check your back pack before you went to school .......

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harry8227

8:15 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

Its about time we get together and turn this absurd policy of arresting every body for having toys around. Yes you could teach kids thee is a time and place for everything and in this case if needed you could take the toy away and give it to the parents with an admonishment that its not allowed and let it go at that but arresting a kid for a toy is asinine

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CMurphy

9:11 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

Drew it sure would be nice to see statistics regarding the number of students who have been disciplined for bringing a gun or toy gun to school. How many of them were arrested? Were any other sting operations conducted or was this the first? Is it school policy to respond to a gun incident on a bus by allowing the alleged perpetrator to bring the same gun back on the bus 17 hours later? Or does ACPS usually intervene prior to the perpetrator going back to school the next day?

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James majors

9:11 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

I was just in a place in Cleveland Ohio it gives home energy assistance. There was a little boy about 5 playing with a toy gun with a big orange tip and it was shiny silver plastic. Anyone could see it was a toy. Well suddenly a policewoman came out and took the toy that noone else was paying attention to(after all everyone could see it was a toy)well after seeing the little boy sitting on the floor crying I was on my way out and told the officer that I hoped she was happy for making the little boy cry. At that time age actually filled me outside the building and acted like she was going to arrest me for telling her that.at one point telling me to come back in and was going to have a patrol car come get me.. I guess that's how they do things at 1849 prospect in Cleveland , Ohio. Any comments on this? Email me " jimmajors@ yahoo. Com

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b. gunn

9:11 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

what did the child's color have to do with this. the boy took a toy gun to school. I have seen toy guns that look real. toy gun could get your child killed

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CMurphy

9:34 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

Toy gun could get the child killed, but it certainly won't be hurting anybody else. It's not a weapon. The boy was ten. They let him back on the bus with the gun the next day. How concerned were they?

Linda Scott

9:34 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

I think kids use play as one way of processing anything that disturbs them. It's hard to escape the omnipresence of guns and violence all around us - can't blame kids for trying to do their best to live with that. Rules are fine, but the impact of the disturbance has to go somewhere, and will eventually be expressed somehow.

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Connie McClintock

9:51 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

Tolstoy doesn't feel like editing her commentary. Gun-phobia has become a sickness in this country. Grow up folks. There's nothing wrong with guns..... only with the people who misuse them.

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Henry

10:01 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

"but it certainly won't be hurting anybody else"

-Except for the unlucky individuals standing beside him when the police open fire.

"It's not a weapon"

-Irrelevant. Again, I direct you to the state statute.

"They let him back on the bus with the gun the next day. How concerned were they?"

-Considering his mother was unreachable and there is, apparently, no father to contact, I think it was reasonable to collect him at school.

Mr. Majors- isn't it a little early to be drinking?

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CMurphy

10:49 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

You're either naive or just trolling if you think this is the first time a ten year old brought a toy gun to school. It's perfectly reasonable to ask whether the policy that you endorse so overwhelmingly has been applied uniformly among all students and at all ACPS schools.

Just because Sherman said they couldn't reach the mother doesn't make it true. Why not send Officer Lingle or another school resource officer to the boy's house that evening? If not, why not send a school resource officer to the bus stop to make sure the boy doesn't get on the bus the next morning with the gun? Instead, they chose to initiate a sting operation without the mother's knowledge. If this was a matter of saftey, the school dropped the ball BIG TIME by letting the child back on the bus the next morning with the toy gun.

And it's also perfectly reasonable for the NAACP to wonder aloud if this state policy you endorse so robustly has been applied evenly among students of all stripes and colors here in Alexandria.

Sandra Black

10:49 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

Instead of there being the NAACP, it should be the NAAAP," NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF ANY PEOPLE," saying that ,"Subjecting any child, especially an African American child to an arrest...", what difference does the color make? That statement took the whole focus of what the news story was about and made it a racial issue, but I guess that was the purpose, now the mother and the NAACP should be able to sue someone, especially since it was an AFRICAN AMERICAN issue!

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Albert Gazalooch

11:02 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

Times have changed! Since black and white kids are getting caught with real loaded guns in their backpacks, a toy gun has no place in school or a school bus. I own two guns that look identical from 10 feet away. One an AirSoft and the other a real Baretta 92FS. I can understand the concern.

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Richard

11:45 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

Tracy and others, don't fall for the media hype that there is a "wave of violence" pervading our schools. I used to tell my kids when they were growing up that the 30 million kids who walk to school every day and do NOT get hit by a car do not get an item in the newspaper. I'm not minimizing the seriousness of the issue, but ten or even thirty kids being killed in three or four years is not a "wave of violence". During the same time period literally thousands of kids have been killed in auto accidents while being driven to school by parents who are afraid to allow them to walk. The 24 hour news cycle and the tendency for the media to emphasize violent crimes is the problem. not a few crazy guys with guns.

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Edmund Lewis

4:11 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

There was an incident at Mount Vernon Community School in August involving students and an air soft gun. The end result there was not the arrest of a child. Seems despite what the superintendent claims, the system has flexibility in cases such as this one. Why was this incident handled in this manner when an earlier incident in which students could have been injured by projectiles was handled much differently? The superintendent has explaining to do beyond the dubious just following policy line.

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CMurphy

4:36 pm on Tuesday, February 26, 2013

Thank You Edmund Lewis! it's obvious to those of us who have lived here for the past 30 plus years that times have changed. It's also quite obvious that despite the defense of "our hands were tied by the state" that has been offered up so much, there is leeway in how the school officials handle these things. Of course they have to address it, but how they address is seems to be up to some discretion - as it should.

Master Rod

6:59 pm on Saturday, March 2, 2013

A toy gun is not a weapon. On the other hand, anything can be used as a weapon. A rock in it self is just a rock. A sharpened pencil in it self is just a pencil. A school satchel in it self is just a satchel. Yet, they can be used as formidable weapons by a knowledgeable person. So why do we have people run and hide when some kid draws the picture of a gun on paper. Fools, The lot of you.....

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Albert Gazalooch

7:30 pm on Saturday, March 2, 2013

Here's what weapons are already allowed in industrial arts classrooms: Hammers, chisels, screwdrivers, scribes and awls, razor knives, mauls, sledge hammers, pry bars, staple guns, pneumatic nailers, cutting torches and reciprocal saw blades.

Allowed in physical education... baseball bats, javelins and hand weights.

Allowed in home economics: Cleavers, butcher knives, steak knives, carving knives, paring knives, forks and meat tenderizing mallets.

ALL of the above can be used as an assault weapon and actually kill another human being. So put the gun shaped Danish rolls and chicken fingers aside and dig into the real problems!

Albert Gazalooch

7:11 pm on Saturday, March 2, 2013

They should remove the reference to Negroes as "colored" people. The NAACP was never about the advancement of Native Americans, Chinese or Hispanics. National Association for the Advancement of African Americans is actually more politically correct. This was passed on to me by an AA friend who hates the "colored" reference!

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